January 21, 2025

Sara Joern: Boundaries Are Love – A Therapist’s Journey of Loss and Healing

Episode #8
“You can only take your clients as deep as you yourself have gone.”

Sara Joern: Boundaries Are Love – A Therapist’s Journey of Loss and Healing

Episode 8

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"A lot of people are familiar with Elizabeth Kubler Ross's stages of grief. And a lot of therapists don't even really like the term stages because it makes it seem like it is this linear path. Like you go through anger, you go through bargaining, you go through depression, you go through acceptance. And you might go through all of those things, you might not. So I like using, like phases or states of grief. This is a state of grief you might be in. Some people don't go through bargaining, some people don't go through anger. And that there is no right or wrong way to grieve."

Show Summary

In this powerful episode, we sit down with Sara Joern, a dedicated therapist specializing in EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing) therapy, to explore her deeply personal and professional journey. Sara shares the profound impact of losing her sister to suicide and how it shaped her belief in the healing power of therapy, particularly the importance of boundaries in fostering love and resilience. Through her story, we uncover how Sara turned her personal grief into a mission to help others overcome trauma, heal from loss, and find hope even in the darkest times.

This episode is for anyone navigating the complexities of grief, struggling with setting boundaries, or seeking tools to heal from trauma. You’ll learn about the transformative process of EMDR therapy, the role of boundaries in self-care and relationships, and how grief, when embraced, can lead to profound personal growth. Whether you’re a mental health professional, someone healing from loss, or simply looking to better understand the human experience, Sara’s insights will leave you inspired, informed, and ready to approach life with greater compassion and strength.

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Sara Joern

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Introduction and Background (00:0011:35)

  • Sara Joern introduced as guest to discuss life after loss and turning tragedy into purpose
  • Sara grew up in St. Louis, Missouri
  • Initially wanted to be a marine biologist or veterinarian
  • Studied psychology in undergrad, leading to counseling field
  • Parents divorced when Sara was in 5th grade
  • Father came out as gay, causing family dynamics to shift

Education and Career Path (11:3720:31)

  • Sara went to graduate school for wilderness therapy degree
  • Attended Naropa University in Boulder, Colorado
  • Program emphasized mindfulness and personal inner work
  • Sara was 22-23 when started grad school, 25-26 when graduated
  • Sister Emily experienced sexual assault in 8th grade, a turning point in her life
  • Emily withdrew after the assault, began using substances

Emily’s Struggles and Treatment (20:3131:08)

  • Emily became addicted to heroin in high school
  • Completed senior year at wilderness therapy rehab program
  • Attended CU Boulder but dropped out after a year
  • Continued partying and struggled with substance abuse
  • Got a DUI, returned to St. Louis, then moved back to Colorado
  • Sara tried to encourage Emily to seek EMDR therapy

Emily’s Death and Sara’s Grief (31:0841:06)

  • Emily died by suicide in October 2019, shortly after getting out of jail
  • Sara received the news via phone call from her mother
  • Experienced shock and initially thought she could return to work quickly
  • Friends helped Sara book flights home and take bereavement leave
  • Sara spent time with parents, then returned to Denver
  • Started private practice around the time of Emily’s death

EMDR Therapy and Sara’s Practice (41:0752:32)

  • Sara explains EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing) therapy
  • EMDR uses bilateral stimulation to reprocess traumatic memories
  • Sara got trained in EMDR and became certified
  • Works with various types of trauma in her practice
  • Emphasizes getting to the root of issues rather than just managing symptoms

Therapy Approaches and Resources (52:3201:02:39)

  • Sara discusses the combination of medication and therapy for best outcomes
  • Explains the metaphor of medication as a winter coat during a storm
  • Discusses the non-linear nature of grief and different ways people grieve
  • Recommends EMDRIA.org and Psychology Today for finding therapists
  • Advises doing consultations to find the right therapist fit

Final Thoughts and Recommendations (01:02:3901:13:23)

  • Sara emphasizes that everyone can benefit from therapy
  • Discusses positive psychology and becoming the best version of oneself
  • Mentions her business, Wild Sage Counseling
  • Encourages support for those grieving and asking what they need
  • Reflects on personal journey and helping others through grief

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